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		<title>By: Tick Talk &#187; A Drop of Wisdom From the Experienced</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tick Talk &#187; A Drop of Wisdom From the Experienced</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tick Talk &#187; A Woodchip more Wisdom from the Experienced</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tick Talk &#187; A Woodchip more Wisdom from the Experienced</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: J.Edwards</title>
		<link>http://watchmakingblog.com/2009/01/22/more-wisdom-from-the-experienced/comment-page-1/#comment-4751</link>
		<dc:creator>J.Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alex,

I&#039;m glad you have decided to take your watch to a professional watchmaker. J.Peter is right, $200 is a very fair price for a complete service of a watch of this calibre. If you would like to see a video of the movement contained in your watch being assembled, I&#039;d recommend you check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://hiro.alliancehorlogere.com/en/Under_the_Loupe/ETA_6497&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page regarding the 6497&lt;/a&gt;. Keep in mind that this video is just one aspect of the work that a watchmaker would carry out on your watch. If you would like an idea of some of the finer work involved in overhauling a mechanism like this, I&#039;d recommend checking out &lt;a href=&quot;http://hiro.alliancehorlogere.com/en/Under_the_Loupe/Oiling_the_Anti-Shock_System&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this video on lubricating the anti-shock system&lt;a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you have decided to take your watch to a professional watchmaker. J.Peter is right, $200 is a very fair price for a complete service of a watch of this calibre. If you would like to see a video of the movement contained in your watch being assembled, I&#8217;d recommend you check out <a href="http://hiro.alliancehorlogere.com/en/Under_the_Loupe/ETA_6497" rel="nofollow">this page regarding the 6497</a>. Keep in mind that this video is just one aspect of the work that a watchmaker would carry out on your watch. If you would like an idea of some of the finer work involved in overhauling a mechanism like this, I&#8217;d recommend checking out <a href="http://hiro.alliancehorlogere.com/en/Under_the_Loupe/Oiling_the_Anti-Shock_System" rel="nofollow">this video on lubricating the anti-shock system</a><a>.</a></p>
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		<title>By: alex e</title>
		<link>http://watchmakingblog.com/2009/01/22/more-wisdom-from-the-experienced/comment-page-1/#comment-4739</link>
		<dc:creator>alex e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply and I did notice you get better results when the dial is facing downwards. I have a watchmaker here locally that has been referred to me this morning and will let him fix it. These last guys damaged the case, etc. just estimating the repairs......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply and I did notice you get better results when the dial is facing downwards. I have a watchmaker here locally that has been referred to me this morning and will let him fix it. These last guys damaged the case, etc. just estimating the repairs&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J.Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it did fall it is very likely that the balance staff has broken, even with shock protection a fall is a pretty good shock.  The symptoms you describe seem to suggest that this may be the case.  You might check and see if it runs better, or longer in dial up or down. This would definitely suggest a broken staff.  As for the service estimate.  $200 is very fair for a full service on a manual wind watch.  This isn&#039;t a few minutes fix.  We&#039;re looking at several hours at the very least, plus parts, to do the job right.  Even replacing the movement, adjusting and regulating it plus a water test perhaps is going to cost at least $200.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it did fall it is very likely that the balance staff has broken, even with shock protection a fall is a pretty good shock.  The symptoms you describe seem to suggest that this may be the case.  You might check and see if it runs better, or longer in dial up or down. This would definitely suggest a broken staff.  As for the service estimate.  $200 is very fair for a full service on a manual wind watch.  This isn&#8217;t a few minutes fix.  We&#8217;re looking at several hours at the very least, plus parts, to do the job right.  Even replacing the movement, adjusting and regulating it plus a water test perhaps is going to cost at least $200.</p>
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		<title>By: alex e</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ETA 6497 experienced a minor shock from a fall, just as you describe. I wind it, and it runs for a bit, maybe a few minutes, then stops. If I tilt the case around it starts again and stops a short while later. What can I do to figure this problem out? The watch is probably 2-3 years old and I hvae never serviced it. I&#039;m trying to fix it, as most watch repair places I have shown it to want to charge $200 for the repair......oy vey! I can buy an ETA 6497 for that.

Please help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ETA 6497 experienced a minor shock from a fall, just as you describe. I wind it, and it runs for a bit, maybe a few minutes, then stops. If I tilt the case around it starts again and stops a short while later. What can I do to figure this problem out? The watch is probably 2-3 years old and I hvae never serviced it. I&#8217;m trying to fix it, as most watch repair places I have shown it to want to charge $200 for the repair&#8230;&#8230;oy vey! I can buy an ETA 6497 for that.</p>
<p>Please help.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Diieso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Diieso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 03:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J. Edwards,

Thanks so much for the advice! I reviewed Desmond Guilfoyle&#039;s wonderful piece on the Cal 56x movements and noted that they do, in fact, have a mobile stud carrier as you&#039;ve also noted in your terrific response! Thanks again and enjoy the remainder of your weekend!

Nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Edwards,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the advice! I reviewed Desmond Guilfoyle&#8217;s wonderful piece on the Cal 56x movements and noted that they do, in fact, have a mobile stud carrier as you&#8217;ve also noted in your terrific response! Thanks again and enjoy the remainder of your weekend!</p>
<p>Nick</p>
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		<title>By: J.Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Everybody,

This tip is, indeed, only relevant to watches with a moveable stud holder. Modern ETA calibres, of course, being the most ubiquitous. 

I would be very careful in painting vintage Omegas with such a broad brush, DaveN. It is true, that very early vintage Omega calibres, like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/09/10/omega-calibre-321-and-the-good-old-days/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Omega 321&lt;/a&gt; and 501 have the stud fixed in the balance cock. However, many other vintage Omegas, such as the popular 861 or 551 calibres et al, have stud holders that &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be moved.  The stud holder on these calibres is plated the same colour as the balance cock, and is fixed more solidly in place than ETA stud holders, so I could see how one might be led to think that it is part of the balance cock, but it is most assuredly a mobile stud holder. I would dissuade any watchmaker from altering the beat on such movements by rotating the hairspring collet, as many of them are notable, chronometer certified timekeepers and the positioning of the collet relative to the balance wheel was accounted for during regulation.

Nick, regarding the swan neck regulator. I agree with J.Peter&#039;s comments regarding a double swan neck being a surer bet. Unless of course the stud is fixed in place or another means of fixing the stud in place such as the means employed by Rolex, which he mentioned, or the Geneva stud lock used by Patek Philippe and other high end manufactures. Like J.Peter though, I can&#039;t vouch for this from experience, as I&#039;ve never had a watch with a swan neck regulator come in that was &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; in need of a minor adjustment. 

Regarding the 1120, it is susceptible to being knocked out of beat by a strong jolt, as it is derived from the ETA calibre 2892. It is a good example of a watch for which this tip could come in handy.

All of that said, this tip isn&#039;t &quot;groundbreaking&quot;. Adjusting the beat is always the first thing I tend to when regulating a timepiece (given that it already has good &lt;a href=&quot;http://hiro.alliancehorlogere.com/en/Glossary:Amplitude&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;amplitude&lt;/a&gt;). Timing comes second. What I felt was noteworthy about what the watchmaker told me, was that prior to his advice, I would tend to check the watch in several positions before passing judgement on the problem and making any necessary corrections. By zeroing in directly on the beat error and then checking the timing in multiple positions , I&#039;ve found I&#039;ve been able to save a few minutes now and then. And it&#039;s little timesavers, here and there, like that, that make you more productive and, ultimately, more profitable in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everybody,</p>
<p>This tip is, indeed, only relevant to watches with a moveable stud holder. Modern ETA calibres, of course, being the most ubiquitous. </p>
<p>I would be very careful in painting vintage Omegas with such a broad brush, DaveN. It is true, that very early vintage Omega calibres, like the <a href="http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/09/10/omega-calibre-321-and-the-good-old-days/" rel="nofollow">Omega 321</a> and 501 have the stud fixed in the balance cock. However, many other vintage Omegas, such as the popular 861 or 551 calibres et al, have stud holders that <i>can</i> be moved.  The stud holder on these calibres is plated the same colour as the balance cock, and is fixed more solidly in place than ETA stud holders, so I could see how one might be led to think that it is part of the balance cock, but it is most assuredly a mobile stud holder. I would dissuade any watchmaker from altering the beat on such movements by rotating the hairspring collet, as many of them are notable, chronometer certified timekeepers and the positioning of the collet relative to the balance wheel was accounted for during regulation.</p>
<p>Nick, regarding the swan neck regulator. I agree with J.Peter&#8217;s comments regarding a double swan neck being a surer bet. Unless of course the stud is fixed in place or another means of fixing the stud in place such as the means employed by Rolex, which he mentioned, or the Geneva stud lock used by Patek Philippe and other high end manufactures. Like J.Peter though, I can&#8217;t vouch for this from experience, as I&#8217;ve never had a watch with a swan neck regulator come in that was <i>only</i> in need of a minor adjustment. </p>
<p>Regarding the 1120, it is susceptible to being knocked out of beat by a strong jolt, as it is derived from the ETA calibre 2892. It is a good example of a watch for which this tip could come in handy.</p>
<p>All of that said, this tip isn&#8217;t &#8220;groundbreaking&#8221;. Adjusting the beat is always the first thing I tend to when regulating a timepiece (given that it already has good <a href="http://hiro.alliancehorlogere.com/en/Glossary:Amplitude" rel="nofollow">amplitude</a>). Timing comes second. What I felt was noteworthy about what the watchmaker told me, was that prior to his advice, I would tend to check the watch in several positions before passing judgement on the problem and making any necessary corrections. By zeroing in directly on the beat error and then checking the timing in multiple positions , I&#8217;ve found I&#8217;ve been able to save a few minutes now and then. And it&#8217;s little timesavers, here and there, like that, that make you more productive and, ultimately, more profitable in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Diieso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Diieso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J and D,

Thank you for your prompt responses!! It&#039;s nice to see that there are still people who appreciate mechanical watches in our increasingly &quot;quartz&quot; world! Can&#039;t wait to see how the predictions for SIHH turn out!

Take care,

Nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J and D,</p>
<p>Thank you for your prompt responses!! It&#8217;s nice to see that there are still people who appreciate mechanical watches in our increasingly &#8220;quartz&#8221; world! Can&#8217;t wait to see how the predictions for SIHH turn out!</p>
<p>Take care,</p>
<p>Nick</p>
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		<title>By: DaveN</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,
I think that this tip only relates to balances with a moveable stud carrier (e.g. the newer ETAs).
Your vintage Omegas have a fixed stud holder.  Beat adjustment is carried out on these by rotating the hairspring collet on the balance staff.  In these movements it &#039;should&#039; be impossible to put the balance off-beat with a knock.
Using a moveable stud carrier makes it much easier to adjust beat errors (the balance wheel has to come out each time with a fixed stud) - but also easier to knock.
Cheers
Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,<br />
I think that this tip only relates to balances with a moveable stud carrier (e.g. the newer ETAs).<br />
Your vintage Omegas have a fixed stud holder.  Beat adjustment is carried out on these by rotating the hairspring collet on the balance staff.  In these movements it &#8216;should&#8217; be impossible to put the balance off-beat with a knock.<br />
Using a moveable stud carrier makes it much easier to adjust beat errors (the balance wheel has to come out each time with a fixed stud) &#8211; but also easier to knock.<br />
Cheers<br />
Dave</p>
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