Comments on: What you get from a counterfeit http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/ A mechanical watchmaker in a digital world Wed, 16 May 2012 16:48:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: Larry D. http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/comment-page-1/#comment-59914 Larry D. Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:59:59 +0000 http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/#comment-59914 With all the more affordable brands of watches available, I still don't understand why people would buy counterfeit goods of any type. For the price of some of these with "Swiss" movements in them, one can purchase a very nice Seiko, Citizen or Bulova, and have a very reputable named watch on your wrist, that actually has a warranty, and a knowledge that you have not supported a criminal enterprise by purchasing a replica. With all the more affordable brands of watches available, I still don’t understand why people would buy counterfeit goods of any type. For the price of some of these with “Swiss” movements in them, one can purchase a very nice Seiko, Citizen or Bulova, and have a very reputable named watch on your wrist, that actually has a warranty, and a knowledge that you have not supported a criminal enterprise by purchasing a replica.

]]> By: Jim Raynor http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/comment-page-1/#comment-12488 Jim Raynor Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:19:45 +0000 http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/#comment-12488 You guys are just buying poorly made knock offs. Clicking on the first google result. All the best offerings are underground and not widely advertised. Me personally I buy a Mix of replica cases and genuine service parts and mix them with a Swiss 2892A2 and I've never had a problem since I personally service and lube my movement and grease all gaskets for water tightness. I even time my movements out within COSC specs and pressure test to 60meters. Ive built ElPrimero based Daytonas for 1/4 the price that are ALL gen parts except for the case. So this goes to show you that not all counterfeits are crappy copies when someone has the passion and knowledge to perfect it and build it. You guys are just buying poorly made knock offs. Clicking on the first google result. All the best offerings are underground and not widely advertised. Me personally I buy a Mix of replica cases and genuine service parts and mix them with a Swiss 2892A2 and I’ve never had a problem since I personally service and lube my movement and grease all gaskets for water tightness. I even time my movements out within COSC specs and pressure test to 60meters. Ive built ElPrimero based Daytonas for 1/4 the price that are ALL gen parts except for the case. So this goes to show you that not all counterfeits are crappy copies when someone has the passion and knowledge to perfect it and build it.

]]> By: Ray http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/comment-page-1/#comment-12005 Ray Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:12:31 +0000 http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/#comment-12005 It is interesting to note that some of the originak fakes were Swiss. I have several pocket watch movements, all 18 size, that are fakes of good American watches of the 1870-1900 era. There are such names as "Keystone Watch Co. - Keystone, Ill." and the "Massasoit Watch Company - Boston, Mass". The look of these movements would fool a layman into thinking hegot something good. Others I have are set with "jewels" which do nothing but hide the plain hole beneath them, and end stones that coverblind holes. In the clock area, the round clocks made by Herschede were just a French clock made with machines and screw in place pf pins, and they are fine performers. The lesson is that if people are faking good products simply to sell junk, somebody will eventually wake up and improve the quality of those products, and probably change the brand names to their own. When that does happen, the makers of the originals will be imperilled by stiff competition from the lower cost marketers. In the meantime, stay away from the fakes because they are usually nothing but trouble for the repairer and often grief for the purchaser. Ray Anderson It is interesting to note that some of the originak fakes were Swiss. I have several pocket watch movements, all 18 size, that are fakes of good American watches of the 1870-1900 era. There are such names as “Keystone Watch Co. – Keystone, Ill.” and the “Massasoit Watch Company – Boston, Mass”. The look of these movements would fool a layman into thinking hegot something good. Others I have are set with “jewels” which do nothing but hide the plain hole beneath them, and end stones that coverblind holes.
In the clock area, the round clocks made by Herschede were just a French clock made with machines and screw in place pf pins, and they are fine performers.

The lesson is that if people are faking good products simply to sell junk, somebody will eventually wake up and improve the quality of those products, and probably change the brand names to their own. When that does happen, the makers of the originals will be imperilled by stiff competition from the lower cost marketers.

In the meantime, stay away from the fakes because they are usually nothing but trouble for the repairer and often grief for the purchaser.

Ray Anderson

]]> By: justin http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/comment-page-1/#comment-4719 justin Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:56:46 +0000 http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/#comment-4719 I bought one of these movements of ebay thinking it was a genuine ETA. Stupid I know. I have a genuine Unitas 6498 and was hoping for a parts movement for the genuine one. Most of your commentary is on the coarseness of the parts, the problem with the regulation screw and the coarseness of the threads in the case back. What could be done to remedy this? What is someone disassembled the movement and placed the course parts in the tumbler? What if the movement was oiled correctly to begin with? What could be done to eliminate the jaggedness of the case back threads? If these things were overcome, would this movement be serviceable? I should note the clone 6498 I have is not marked panerai or any other brand. Thanks! I bought one of these movements of ebay thinking it was a genuine ETA. Stupid I know. I have a genuine Unitas 6498 and was hoping for a parts movement for the genuine one. Most of your commentary is on the coarseness of the parts, the problem with the regulation screw and the coarseness of the threads in the case back. What could be done to remedy this? What is someone disassembled the movement and placed the course parts in the tumbler? What if the movement was oiled correctly to begin with? What could be done to eliminate the jaggedness of the case back threads? If these things were overcome, would this movement be serviceable? I should note the clone 6498 I have is not marked panerai or any other brand. Thanks!

]]> By: Yossarian http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/comment-page-1/#comment-480 Yossarian Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:26:27 +0000 http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/#comment-480 My dad once bought a fake Rolex Submariner while we were on vacation. It only cost 50$ or so, but it actually went quite well. Today, 18 years later, it is still ticking away. I have never timed it, but my guess is that its time-keeping is lousy. Also, the whole case and "crystal" glass is covered in scratches. However, it was this watch that made me go out and buy a real Submariner for myself after all these years. I guess something good came out of it. You keep a very nice blog by the way, thanks! My dad once bought a fake Rolex Submariner while we were on vacation. It only cost 50$ or so, but it actually went quite well. Today, 18 years later, it is still ticking away. I have never timed it, but my guess is that its time-keeping is lousy. Also, the whole case and “crystal” glass is covered in scratches.

However, it was this watch that made me go out and buy a real Submariner for myself after all these years. I guess something good came out of it.

You keep a very nice blog by the way, thanks!

]]> By: Tick Talk » Some more thoughts on counterfeits. http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/comment-page-1/#comment-165 Tick Talk » Some more thoughts on counterfeits. Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:02:27 +0000 http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/#comment-165 [...] while ago I reviewed a counterfeit watch to point out how poor the quality was. Mikle, posted a comment asking about my opinion of several other counterfeits. He said, “For [him] a replica watch is [...] [...] while ago I reviewed a counterfeit watch to point out how poor the quality was. Mikle, posted a comment asking about my opinion of several other counterfeits. He said, “For [him] a replica watch is [...]

]]> By: J.Peter http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/comment-page-1/#comment-164 J.Peter Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:21:20 +0000 http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/#comment-164 Mikle, Your question is an interesting one. If you read my post you would know that I don't think very highly of counterfeit watches or the people who make them. You say that buying a counterfeit is the only way you could buy a watch with a well-known name, except you still wouldn't have a watch with a well known name. I think I'll tackle this issue in a new post today. Mikle,

Your question is an interesting one. If you read my post you would know that I don’t think very highly of counterfeit watches or the people who make them. You say that buying a counterfeit is the only way you could buy a watch with a well-known name, except you still wouldn’t have a watch with a well known name. I think I’ll tackle this issue in a new post today.

]]> By: MiklePorter http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/comment-page-1/#comment-159 MiklePorter Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:01:00 +0000 http://watchmakingblog.com/2008/02/22/what-you-get-from-a-counterfeit/#comment-159 Good Afternoon All I was looking for fashion watches <a href="" rel="nofollow">Panerai - Luminor Automatic PN-81</a> and I've found something beautiful here <a href="" rel="nofollow">Breitling - Chrono-Matic Quartz Chronograph BT-30</a> <a href="" rel="nofollow">Zenith - Star El Primero ZT-3</a> <a href="" rel="nofollow">Tag Heuer - Monaco Quartz Chronograph TH-26</a> . How do you think, are these watches worth buying? I want to buy one, but want to know your opinion first please. P.S. For me a replica watch is the only opportunity to have a watch with a well-known name. Good Afternoon All

I was looking for fashion watches Panerai – Luminor Automatic PN-81 and I’ve found something beautiful here Breitling – Chrono-Matic Quartz Chronograph BT-30
Zenith – Star El Primero ZT-3
Tag Heuer – Monaco Quartz Chronograph TH-26
. How do you think, are these watches worth buying? I want to buy one, but want to know your opinion first please.

P.S. For me a replica watch is the only opportunity to have a watch with a well-known name.

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